tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55282503134540185.post1715789163980306257..comments2023-11-02T06:50:17.503-07:00Comments on <ul>Fantasy & SciFi Lovin' Reviews</ul>: Star Trek Sucks!!!SQThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04251030404220909306noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55282503134540185.post-890322840132253482007-04-27T12:21:00.000-07:002007-04-27T12:21:00.000-07:00Everyone's entitled to their own opinions. But it...Everyone's entitled to their own opinions. But it could be worse, you could have been watching <B>X-Files</B>, which doesn't deserve to be considered in the SciFi Genre.Captain James H. Sheridenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12142873769140309604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55282503134540185.post-36331228590901776042007-04-26T15:36:00.000-07:002007-04-26T15:36:00.000-07:00I agree with Stewart. I'm glad he has the guts to ...I agree with Stewart. I'm glad he has the guts to say it.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06039130895443623988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55282503134540185.post-15451569963662326272007-04-25T09:02:00.000-07:002007-04-25T09:02:00.000-07:00And yet you're the one who manages to put said sho...And yet you're the one who manages to put said shows into every other post you can.Fabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11727490011876675399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55282503134540185.post-9090455333296221702007-04-25T00:38:00.000-07:002007-04-25T00:38:00.000-07:00Well, can ya blame me?My gods, how many people can...Well, can ya blame me?<BR/><BR/>My gods, how many people can be miraculously saved and/or reborn during the course of a single season? Pretty soon the humans are going to need one of those spare body ships trailing their fleet, too, so that the writers have a "reasonable explanation" for all of the dei up in this machina.<BR/><BR/>And of course I get touchy when people don't like the same things as me. I am the self-appointed arbiter of taste around here, after all!<BR/><BR/><BR/>(p.s. I enjoyed Firefly and Serenity - I just get annoyed by all the fanboy clowns out there.)Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910781191660514689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55282503134540185.post-44497491686488496772007-04-24T21:18:00.000-07:002007-04-24T21:18:00.000-07:00Ha! Now he's going to go after BSG.Ha! Now he's going to go after BSG.SQThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04251030404220909306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55282503134540185.post-66304435696508375792007-04-24T20:09:00.000-07:002007-04-24T20:09:00.000-07:00Alex..once again, I love you for causing trouble s...Alex..once again, I love you for causing trouble so I don't have to.<BR/><BR/>Hee..but don't frak with BSG.Crunchy Carpetshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09543476826068578576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55282503134540185.post-88371409389018394532007-04-24T13:36:00.000-07:002007-04-24T13:36:00.000-07:00This should be renamed the Firefly and Buffy BlogI...<I>This should be renamed the Firefly and Buffy Blog</I><BR/><BR/>I like Firefly, so what? I don't post about it all the time. In fact I don't post about it all the often. <BR/><BR/>Man, you get touchy when people don't like the same stuff as you.SQThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04251030404220909306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55282503134540185.post-31694406406550547662007-04-24T13:06:00.000-07:002007-04-24T13:06:00.000-07:00Wide variety of tastes? Pfft! I'm the only one w...Wide variety of tastes? Pfft! I'm the only one who visits this site who doesn't have his head so far up Joss Whedon's ass, you can't tell where one begins and the other ends.<BR/><BR/>This should be renamed the Firefly and Buffy Blog.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910781191660514689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55282503134540185.post-59497060735470612782007-04-24T11:57:00.000-07:002007-04-24T11:57:00.000-07:00Politics suck too, and no one can stop talking abo...Politics suck too, and no one can stop talking about it as well :) (at least on here we can talk about cool things stinking up the works). <BR/><BR/>Never underestimate the human need to debate and complain :)<BR/><BR/>btw, this is why I watched Babylon 5 instead, which yes, like many sci fi shows had its flaws, but what this discussion has shown is our wide variety of tastes, whether we think them good or ill, but that is the beauty of such discourse.jedimerchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00081179932849147550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55282503134540185.post-49581613598945145522007-04-24T10:18:00.000-07:002007-04-24T10:18:00.000-07:00It might suck, Star Trek, but it's got everyone ta...It might suck, Star Trek, but it's got everyone talking about it. Pretty impressive.Fabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11727490011876675399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55282503134540185.post-55284625997135907032007-04-23T22:29:00.000-07:002007-04-23T22:29:00.000-07:00Galactica and Firefly are about as bad as they cou...Galactica and Firefly are about as bad as they could get already. At least Star Trek had the odd believable emotion, even if the dialogue was just as bad as the two new shows we're discussing.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910781191660514689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55282503134540185.post-57068748775845707152007-04-23T19:21:00.000-07:002007-04-23T19:21:00.000-07:00TOS did break ground for TV in some ways though, e...TOS did break ground for TV in some ways though, especially regarding the casting and the Uhura-Kirk kiss, but it was cheesy, not doubt, and as I roll back to the syndicated days (I am a bit too young for the original airings... my first experience was actually the first movie, and like Jon mentioned, thank gods for Khan), I can see Stewart's point, heck I can even see the blasphemer Kate's point about Star Wars :)<BR/><BR/>And perhaps it is the haze of nostalgia, but I am ok with that haze, it takes the edge off of our need for utter realism in science fiction these days (or as close to realism as we can attempt to make it). I mean, the same argument can be made for a lot of things we hold with nostalgic reverence, and so I don't insult anyone, just think of something from your era that you are wistfully nostalgic about and try and be objective... for me, I know Star Wars is campy and cheesy and now, I probably would not like it if it came out as is, but then it made a difference in my life just as many authors did when I was growing up. I enjoyed Jack Vance far more when I was younger, though I grew more attached to Asimov and Clarke as I got older.<BR/><BR/>I am sure in 20 years we might have this discussion about Battlestar Galactica and Firefly(though we might still be having the discussion about Star Trek too :)jedimerchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00081179932849147550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55282503134540185.post-22151254741804418982007-04-23T09:00:00.000-07:002007-04-23T09:00:00.000-07:00The original crew didn't have a good episode until...The original crew didn't have a good episode until Wrath of Khan.Jon the Intergalactic Gladiatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13758095794354686723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55282503134540185.post-24442982743802633542007-04-23T08:44:00.000-07:002007-04-23T08:44:00.000-07:00Say it isn't so. You didn't really mean it, did y...Say it isn't so. You didn't really mean it, did you? Ok, I'll admit that some the Star Trek episodes were cheesy, and that Bill Shatner was an over-actor, but please don't throw mud on my magic childhood memories. Boo-who!<BR/><BR/><BR/>MJMother Jones RNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01298418463273622952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55282503134540185.post-11746362910057910332007-04-23T03:48:00.000-07:002007-04-23T03:48:00.000-07:00In ways you have a point - the Original series was...In ways you have a point - the Original series was well at times hard to watch but every other Trek series and movie have been wicked.ShadowFalconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15705530281109481071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55282503134540185.post-32797393365881467862007-04-23T01:55:00.000-07:002007-04-23T01:55:00.000-07:00Sorry, what's this "Star Trek" all y'all are talki...Sorry, what's this "Star Trek" all y'all are talking about?Hey there, Skippyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166054325701598298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55282503134540185.post-17747601398007069332007-04-22T21:52:00.000-07:002007-04-22T21:52:00.000-07:00I think mmy diction is still stuck in the late-80s...I think mmy diction is still stuck in the late-80s/early-90s. Oh, well. At least I get to use cool words, like bitchin'!Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910781191660514689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55282503134540185.post-14119938357420758502007-04-22T18:54:00.000-07:002007-04-22T18:54:00.000-07:00whoo hoo Alex!Just for using Nimrod!whoo hoo Alex!<BR/><BR/>Just for using Nimrod!Crunchy Carpetshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09543476826068578576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55282503134540185.post-8871456252802300552007-04-22T16:02:00.000-07:002007-04-22T16:02:00.000-07:00Stupid things?Pfft! You're just jealous of my sup...Stupid things?<BR/><BR/>Pfft! You're just jealous of my superior taste ad breeding.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910781191660514689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55282503134540185.post-65734859338828209002007-04-22T16:01:00.000-07:002007-04-22T16:01:00.000-07:00Speak of the devil, and the devil appears.Since I'...Speak of the devil, and the devil appears.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Since I've been summoned, in my highly tender state (they had Becks on draught last night - it's not my fault!), I suppose I could weigh in here.<BR/><BR/>I have to agree that, looking back TOS lacks a certain, umm... well, they're just plain absurd. I mean, the episode with the puddle of mud that kept eating redshirts was pretty f'ing pathetic. It's like those horror movies about caves - there's a very simple way to avoid being consumed by a stationary object/geographical feature: <B>don't approach it, nimrods!</B><BR/><BR/>Then again, what would scifi be if it forced humanity to abandon its natural curiosity?<BR/><BR/>However, I still enjoy going back to watch some of the better episodes. I especially enjoy the ones with green alien wenches doing what was considered in the 60s to be dirty dances. Hilarious!<BR/><BR/>Or anything with Tribbles. You gotta love the Tribbles.<BR/><BR/>Anyhoo... the point is that, if one is in the mood (usually when spending a lazy Sunday afternoon on the couch), TOS can still be quite entertaining. Yes, you have to suspend disbelief a little more than usual, but we can't expect special effects from 40 years ago to look good today. Some of the plots are a little weak or repetitive - enterprise lands on alien planet, there the crew finds phenomenon x, phenomenon x does not turn out to be what it seems, the crew of the enterprise must overcome phenomenon x in order to escape/save the planet/enable Kirk to take off his shirt and wrestle around on the ground with someone or something - but there were a lot of really creative gems in there, as well.<BR/><BR/>So, umm... I agree and disagree with Stew. However, I do have to call him a blasphemer.<BR/><BR/>No language is strong enough to deal with Kate's comment about A New Hope. I'm just going to have to pretend I didn't read it, for everyone's safety.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910781191660514689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55282503134540185.post-81834945491389906612007-04-22T15:53:00.000-07:002007-04-22T15:53:00.000-07:00Can't join the bandwagon with you this one. I sti...Can't join the bandwagon with you this one. I still love watching the old Star Trek episodes. They are nostalgic, to be sure, but there is still a sense of fun and wonder there under the surface that makes them enjoyable.<BR/><BR/>And the original Star Wars far from sucks. It remains one of the best examples of pure space opera out there and it is timeless. I have friends with little kids who sit and devour the original series, preferring it not only over the newer ones but over lots of other television options. If it sucked it wouldn't continue to have that kind of impact with new generations of kids.<BR/><BR/>That's the fun thing about the ol' interweb, though. We can all have our own opinions that lead to interesting discussions.Carl V. Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15948764216438379394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55282503134540185.post-48632654357861425302007-04-22T15:49:00.000-07:002007-04-22T15:49:00.000-07:00Actually, I was hoping Alex would show up not to a...Actually, I was hoping Alex would show up not to argue with him, but because I get the feeling he would back me up. Alex usually says some pretty stupid things, so it would take some of the heat off me. He's a great scape goat.Stewart Sternberg (half of L.P. Styles)https://www.blogger.com/profile/00895152179113722902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55282503134540185.post-65561618043474093062007-04-22T15:34:00.000-07:002007-04-22T15:34:00.000-07:00Yeah, where is Alex?Oh wait, are you saying the re...Yeah, where is Alex?<BR/><BR/>Oh wait, are you saying the rest of us can't argue the point?<BR/><BR/>It doesn't matter really. <BR/><BR/>The fact remains that Star Trek meant something to a lot of people. All those other shows mentioned, Outer Limits, Twilight Zone, My Favorite Martian etc. had an impact as well, but not the following. It doesn't matter whether or not it deserved it, it was still there. Maybe it had a lot to do with Rodenberry's propaganda, but that doesn't always have the desired effect anyway. <BR/><BR/>Star Trek, quality be damned, <I>lasted</I>. There's no debating that Patrick Stewart was a better actor or that later Star Treks were better developed. However, the original made people want more of <I>that</I> show. Something about the premise worked.SQThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04251030404220909306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55282503134540185.post-38567906061950425782007-04-22T14:41:00.000-07:002007-04-22T14:41:00.000-07:00Where the hell is Alex????Okay, SQT...CRUNCHY..I t...Where the hell is Alex????<BR/><BR/>Okay, SQT...CRUNCHY..I think ST had some effect, but I wouldn't go so far as saying that it was this beacon in the night. It had some effect. So did the Vietnam War. If you want to take a trip back to the sixties, the era itself, with Kennedy's emphasis on science and NASA, the moon landing, that's what gave sci-fi a boost. Star Trek came from that. If Star Trek had never broken the surface, then something else would have come along and sparked the imagination. <BR/><BR/>Consider also these science fiction shows of the sixties...Twilight Zone, Outer Limits, The Invaders, My Favorite Martian, The Time Tunnel, Lost In Space, Johnny Quest, Land of the Giants, The Jetsons, Dr. Who....and then shows that had strong science fiction elements: Get Smart, The Avengers, The Prisoner, The Man From UNCLE,etc....and all thses shows were developed about the same time of Star Trek with none of them necessarily being influenced by Star Trek in any way.<BR/><BR/>People want to believe Star Trek is important. They need to. Rodenberry fed us a line about how important it was for the last thirty years of his life, and Paramount joined along, as did the fanboys who wanted to feel that they had ridden some special crest.<BR/><BR/>No, I hold to my original statement...Star Trek was one manifestation of an increase in science fiction in the sixties that was part of the geopolitical and cultural events going on at the time.<BR/><BR/>Now to address Crunchy, provided anyone is still reading this: is TNG better than ST? I think it was a better show. Was it a great show? No. <BR/><BR/>TNG had the advantage of people who were far more dedicated to science fiction having imput to the show's themes and plots. During the ST run, Rodenberry has blatantly proclaimed that it was "Wagon Train in space" and that many of the plots and characters followed standard television for the time. The characters of ST while fun are seldom three dimensional.<BR/><BR/>Can we really say Uhura is three dimensional? Sulu? Chekov? Even Kirk and Bones were not developed...though they would be fleshed out in the films. Sort of.<BR/><BR/>I think Picard is colorfully and fully rendered compared to Kirk. First you have Patrick Stewart...that alone was enough to win an argument when compared to the halting speech patterns and scene chewing of Shatner at the time.<BR/><BR/>Then, you have Picard as a traditionalist who has reverence for his heritage. He is also a stern military man who brooks little dissent. He shared Kirk's love for his ship, and also Kirk's love for his crew. <BR/><BR/>Picard's character bloomed though with the appearance of the BORG. His kidnap and his turning marked a major change in the character. <BR/><BR/>So let's see...the more careful scrutiny of TNG by sci fans than ST, the character development, the care for the franchise that was lacking in the late sixties....<BR/><BR/>Yeah, I will say TNG is a step above ST. Maybe two or three steps.Stewart Sternberg (half of L.P. Styles)https://www.blogger.com/profile/00895152179113722902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55282503134540185.post-27244718914648445232007-04-22T12:26:00.000-07:002007-04-22T12:26:00.000-07:00I think of the old shows nostalgically but as I sa...I think of the old shows nostalgically but as I sat and read this I knew you were dead on. Even back then I giggled as the crew leaned from side to side to show turbulence!Barbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13408633498198921799noreply@blogger.com