Friday, April 06, 2007

Star Trek-- So Many to Choose From

Hello all, I'm back and on my new computer. We have Windows Vista now, which takes some getting used to. None of our old drivers work and now we have to find new ones so that we can use our printer and other hardware. It's still a lot better than what I was working with before though. I had no idea my blog color was so faint. Let me know how it shows up on your computers and if you'd recommend a color change. I don't mind if you tell me you don't like it. Much. Anyway. I've been unable to confidently write a new post so I'm ready to jump back in. Of course, that doesn't mean all of a sudden I'll have better blog content, but I guess you can't have it all. Since I am a little boggled still, I'm going to go back to an old favorite: Star Trek. I was thinking about doing another poll to avoid having to write a long post, but decided to spare you that at the last minute. I was thinking, as a topic, to ask what your favorite TV shows were, and as I was composing it realized that half the list would just be Star Trek shows of different varieties. And it made me wonder, is Star Trek that good? When you look at the series as a whole and all the movies it's almost a little overwhelming to realize how big the franchise is. It's also interesting to go back and look at the history a little bit. For example, I didn't know that the Original Series only ran for 80 episodes, less than half the time The Next Generation (178 episodes), DS9 (176 episodes) and Voyager (172 episodes) ran. Even Enterprise ran longer at 98 episodes. I don't suppose it's too unusual for a series to be under-appreciated in its time, just look at Firefly. But even if the original series didn't last that long, the concept sure has. Personally I go into fits and starts when it comes to all the shows. I didn't watch the original when it came out because I wasn't actually born until the show was off the air-- though I remember it being on in reruns pretty much throughout my whole life. I was really a Next Generation fan because it came out at just the right time for me to really get into it and enjoy it. Because I liked TNG so much I watched DS9 too, though I began to burn out toward the end. And that was a shame because I didn't watch Voyager with the same dedication as the earlier series' and I hear I may have missed out. Enterprise got my attention mostly due to Scott Bakula, whom I had really liked in Quantum Leap, though I never watched every episode. So I guess I'd consider myself a lukewarm Star Trek fan. I've always liked it- even seen all the movies. But I have not dedicated myself to every show ever aired. I've also never done the conventions. But I guess the real question is, does the concept deserve so many series'? I've even read that certain networks are throwing around the idea of developing another version in the near future. Do you guys think the Star Trek franchise can go on indefinitely? Or do you think we'll all eventually burn out on the idea?

28 comments:

Peter P said...

But I guess the real question is, does the concept deserve so many series'?

No.

But if the market is there, there will be another series.

Another question is: does the Firefly concept deserve so few episodes?

It is all in the stars.

SQT said...

It does kind of surprise me that with so many people out there still clamoring for more Firefly no has picked up the series for continued development. SciFi channel has been broadcasting the first season, but nothing else seems to be going on with it. Why? Please, someone tell me why?

UFR said...

Star Trek is an iconic show that has a deeply loyal fan base hence why we have had so many Trek incarnations. I liked Next Generation best and really only watched the other Trek series because there never really has been that much sci-fi tv to watch. If they never made another Trek series or movie I'd be perfectly fine with it.

As far as Firefly goes, it would have been nice if SciFi Channel or some other network would have picked it up and continued the series. Family Guy came back from cancellation why not a great show like Firefly?

Old Knudsen said...

Star Trek burned out years ago, too many ion clouds and fake foreheads it just all got recycled with a super mega big bad to defeat now and then.

Firefly was a good character driven show and by the time someone does something they'll be a bit too old to star in it. Tv people are afraid of quirky shows, they like formula and ratings instead of cult status, they just don't get it, too short sighted.
Its nice to see the Firefly and Buffy people turn up in other things. I pay that Giles guy £10.00 to mow my lawn every fortnight.

Scotty said...

Nicely said, Peter P, and I concur; Firefly deserves another season at least. As for Star Trek, well, I'm a fan of New Generation and Voyager myself. I can still enjoy the original series but never really got into DS9 or Enterprise that much.

Fab said...

The original series was way before my time. Generations aired when I was a little kid, but I got introduced to it by my Trekkie older brother. Since DS9 and Voyager aired in my teens, I'm more familiar with these series and needless to say I've seen every Enterprise (I mean with Bakula). I don't know if it's necessary to have that many series. But every generation has their own version of Star Trek, as I just proven above. Ok, maybe it's all about money and selling dvd's, but I think it's nice that within one franchise there are many ways to go for each generation of viewers. I found DS9 too preachy and Enterprise a lot of fun (although I tune off when my favourite characters aren't in the lead story, I must add). And the movies? I loved Nemesis the most so far.

Jean-Luc Picard said...

We all have our favourites, for different reasons. I like Voyager followed by TNG. Enterprise sadly had a poor 1st and 2nd series. It really picked up in the final series.

DesLily said...

I do think that from the beginning Gene Roddenberry was hoping for alot. He really wanted to show humanity, that everyone of every color, race and religion can get along and work together and respect each other.

It still needs to be said over and over... so yes.. they do need to keep making star treks until the lessons are learned.

Lee said...

I don't watch them very often, but when I do, I'm always struck at how they manage to tackle real world issues (racism, homophobia, etc.) in a way that kind of flies under the radar.

As for me, hate the original, Kirk makes me wanna strangle somethin, love TNG and DS-9, if I was a girl-lover that 7 of 9 girl would be my stalkee, and lukewarm on Voyager and the newest one.

That was a hellish sentence wasn't it?

Peter P said...

Why? Please, someone tell me why?

Again. It is all in the stars.

Peter P said...

Nicely said, Peter P, and I concur; Firefly deserves another season at least.

Where should the second season pick up though? Before or after the movie?

It was "brilliant" to kill off two well-loved characters in the movie.

Fab said...

About Firefly: have you seen the dedication sites to get it started again? Go to Whedonesque.com and find out. The character death was to be expected. Have you seen Buffy and Angel? Lead roles dying all the time. Hey, he killed Buffy twice!

BTW, should I be worried Peter P has conversations with himself??? I know I'm new here, but maybe someone can explain that?

SQT said...

I've known Peter P for awhile. Nothing to worry about, it's just one of his normal quirks. ;)

Crunchy Carpets said...

I like the Original the best..there was so much attention to geeky detail...all the background stuff.

Any sci fi show that has to depend on the Sci Fi channel has a limited life span unless it is owned out right and cheap.

Fab said...
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Fab said...

Oh, ok then. Just concerned, Sqt. Glad your new computer is up and running.

Scotty said...

Either/or Peter, although it would probably make more sense to pick up after the movie, I guess. I heard a rumour that Wash or Book was going to be resurrected somehow but for the life of me, can't remember where I heard it.

SQT said...

The beauty of sci-fi/fantasy is that you can always hope that your favorite characters might be resurrected someday. Okay, it's a little hokey, but I like it better than dead is just plain dead.

Peter P said...

I heard a rumour that Wash or Book was going to be resurrected somehow but for the life of me, can't remember where I heard it.

In a universe with more 6-shooters than aliens (0), that scenario is not very likely. :(

Or, they can come back as recurring characters in flashbacks.

Alex said...

"It does kind of surprise me that with so many people out there still clamoring for more Firefly no has picked up the series for continued development."


It's not that Firefly has a lot of fans, it's that the ones it has won't shut up about it. It just seems like a lot of people are talking about the show.



As for star trek, we've had a Jewish captain. We've had a black captain. We've had a female captain. Now it's down to who the diversity-on-my-cereal-box police are going to demand next: the homosexual captain, or the "special needs" captain.

My vote is for a double-jointed lesbian captain, but nobody ever listens to me. Special interest groups are for ugly people, I guess.

SQT said...

OMG! Alex, I read your stuff and I can't believe you said that out loud.

So funny, but soooo bad.

Carl V. said...

Just to throw my two cents in, I had never watched Deep Space Nine. Being a fan of Voyager at the time I chose to dismiss DS9 as a concept that I just wasn't interested in. During the recent 40th anniversary ST special on the History Channel, I was blown away by the quality of the models used to shoot the various starships and became quite enamored with the DS9 space station, so much so that I went out and bought Season 1 just to check it out. My wife and I fell for it instantly and love it. We are well into Season 2 and think it is a fantastic show.

So yes, on some levels I do think Star Trek is *that* good. Does every episode succeed? No, but I suspect that had a show like Firefly went on for more than one season there would've been a few stinkers in there as well.

Hey there, Skippy said...

Alex - rumour has it that the next Star Trek Captain won't actually be a captain at all, but two captains: conjoined asian twins, who also happen to be lesbian dwarves. And by "rumour" I mean the voices in my head.

I really dislike the original "Trek", especially the final season where it goes all Spock-centric. I get that it broke down all manner of sex and race barriers, and that's great, but it is still pretty poor sci-fi.

There are moments of greatness in TNG, undoubtedly, although I've always rather thought that TNG's success was down to the exceptional quality of some of the actors, rather than the scripts. Who doesn't love Patrick Stewart and "Close the" Gates McFadden?

The real quality in the Trek franchise comes, I think, in the final four or five seasons of DS9. They learnt some hard lessons about story-arcing from Babylon 5 and really ran with them. It's dark, political and without it, I don't see Battlestar Galactica being as good as it is now...

Voyager I never really got into. The theme music was so lame. And Kate Mulgrew's voice annoyed the living bejesus out of me. And they managed to break warp 10, which was just SILLY.

Oh, and Enterprise? WORST THEME MUSIC EVER. Also rubbish due to a) v poor stories and b) v poor stories.

We should have a post about favourote Trek characters... It would give me soemthign to do at work this week...

oddmix said...

I think the star trek concept is neither that "good" or taht "bad", but really is that "vague". It is simply a framework for a set of space adventures.

There is really no unifying theme throughout the shows other than this nebulous "Federation". The villains change from show to show - even from episode to episode. The technology has evolved drastically.

The only sort of real unifying force is the collective backstory and mythology of the collective series.

So, I think if done thoughtfully and well - a la Voyager - a new series has a good chance. Particularly if it takes place after Voyager - which left any number of potential storylines in its ion wake - and doesn't try and provide backstory that has already been assumed for existing shows.

On the other hand, a new show also has the potential for disaster. And if it does as well as Enterprise then it could very well doom the future of the franchise.

Morgen said...

Peter: I think Firefly does deserve more episodes... I can dream, can't I?

And I loved TNG when it was running because it was good for its time - but I think Deep Space 9 was my favorite of the Trek shows. My other half, though, would crucify me for that statement - he is a die-hard Janeway fan.
Enterprise sucked, in my opinion, and I really wanted to like it.

oh, and SQT: congrats on the new computer. I wish you well with the Vista adventures!

The Curmudgeon said...

I didn't watch the original when it came out because I wasn't actually born until the show was off the air-- though I remember it being on in reruns pretty much throughout my whole life.

Showoff.

I've been watching since Season 2 of TOS -- I heard about the show on the playground. That's where kids used to learn all sorts of things.

And it's odd, I know, but I think TOS has aged better than TNG.

I liked DS9 -- but Youngest Son was scared of Voyager so we never got into it. It was rather dark. I wanted to like Enterprise -- I really did.

But I didn't.

SQT said...

I'm amazed at how many people didn't like Enterprise. I didn't watch a whole lot of it: I did get bored. But I thought it was just me. I guess not...

Alex said...

I liked enterprise. Most of it was due to T'pol, but still... I officially liked Enterprise.