Friday, December 01, 2006

Good Ideas Gone Wrong

I've noticed a disturbing trend among some of my favorite sci-fi movies; the inability to make a decent sequel. Am I the only one who has noticed this? Somehow I doubt it. The Star Wars saga IMO turned out to be one of the biggest disappointments ever. Granted, Lucas managed to make the first trilogy worth watching. Star Wars itself will always be the best one, but The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi were worthy successors. But what the Hell happened after that? The second trilogy was such a letdown to me. I tried to like The Phantom Menace, I did. But there were so many things that bothered me. I wasn't a huge fan of the young Anakin and Natalie Portman brought new meaning to the description "wooden." And need I really get into the whole Jar Jar Binks issue? So when Attack of the Clones came out, I didn't exactly rush to the box office, and I humbly admit I haven't even seen Revenge of the Sith. ((ducks)) If I had to pick out one thing that ruined the last Star Wars trilogy it would be the over-emphasis on computer graphics and a complete lack of character building. I know I am not the first to say it, but that doesn't make it a less valid complaint. Another great idea that fell apart was the Matrix movie franchise. Man, I loved the Matrix too. I thought it was the most interesting, innovative movie I had seen in a long long time. I was so looking forward to the sequel and couldn't have been more excited that they were making THREE of them! *sigh* And then I saw The Matrix Reloaded. To be honest, I didn't understand but half of what they were talking about. And it seemed to me they were trying so hard to be deep, they forgot to make the story interesting. There were some good fight scenes, of which I am a big fan and the freeway chase scene was fun. But other than that, I was disappointed enough not to bother to see Matrix Revolutions in the movie theater. I did maintain enough hope to rent the final movie, but frankly, I couldn't wait for the darn thing to end. I think the makers of the third movie ended up making the same mistake George Lucas did and spent too much time on computer generated stunts and forgot the story. And the CGI at the end of the movie wasn't even convincing to me. I thought it looked terribly fake. The Terminator series did manage to fare better than most, with two really good films with the original Terminator and T2: Judgement Day. Nope this one didn't fall apart until T3: Rise of the Machines. The only thing I liked about this one was the Terminatrix; I guess I like strong women. The biggest mistakes here were that James Cameron didn't direct the film and it didn't include Linda Hamilton. I didn't mind Nick Stahl too much as John Conner, but I would've preferred Edward Furlong if only for consistency. Since I already mentioned Highlander in a recent post, I won't delve into that any further right now. Though it fits since the first movie is the only one worth mentioning. Let me know if you agree with my assessment or if you think I am way off. And as always, tell me if you think I left anything out.


Stewart Sternberg said...

I think you were being way too kind to The Matrix sequel. I will never forget watching the second film and shaking my head. I hated it.

Sequels? Every Friday The Thirteenth after the second one. Every Halloween after the third (we'll ignore the over). Hollywood dearly loves to ride a mediocre experience into a tremendously tragic experiences.

Want more bad sequels or franchises gone wretched?

First, I'd mention the Scary Movie franchise, but since the first was so bad, it's not like the ones to follow it were much of a step down.

But onto other sequels:
--The sequel to "Dumb and Dumber" (not fantasy, but worthy of mention)
--Ghoulies II. Again..a sequel to a film so bad that it made my sphincter close for two days.
--Leprechaun...omg...bad and then worse..and then so bad that they denied string theory.

SQT said...

I didn't actually hate the Matrix sequels until I saw the third, and then I kind of got mad.

I couldn't figure out how they could ruin such a good thing. It got so convoluted and stupid it was just irritating. What a waste.

Alex said...

Let's leave the Matrix alone for a second and focus on the real issues:

1) Empire officially rocked New Hope. It's a scientifically proven fact - I'll provide the journal citations upon request.

2) Why down on decent sequels to good movies when we can down on complete shite sequels to complete shite movies (e.g. The Fast and the Furious I, II, and III).

3) The Two Towers and RotK kicked just as much ass as FotR.

4) Army of Darkness was far superior to Evil Dead I and II.

5) Chronicles of Riddick was almost as good as Pitch Black. Very close.

6) All three X-men movies were equally mediocre.

I didn't get my hopes up for the Star Wars prequels or the Matrix sequels, so I actually enjoyed them. They proved me not-quite-right.

As for Leprechaun, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. Nothing, and I mean nothing, is better than a young Jennifer Aniston running around all movie long in snug spandex shorts! I can't comment on the story, though, as I was distracted for most of the film.

SQT said...

Alex, you are funny.

I loved the original Star Wars movies, no question. It's just the later one's I take issue with.

I didn't mention LOTR because they were all good. The last one did drag on a bit though. By the end I was just saying 'come on, throw the damn ring in already.'

X-Men definitely stayed pretty much the same as have the Spiderman movies. (so far)

I'm also curious as to what you guys think of the Pirates of the Carribean movies. I liked them well enough and actually enjoyed the 2nd as much as the first, though the reviews weren't as good.

DesLily said...

Alex has a little something there.. lets face it Hugh Jackman can do no wrong (and he didn't have to wear spandex!)But I'll admit it that I watched that series because he and Ian McKellen were in them.

I never did get into Martix, and most horror movies aren't my thing, though I could think of a few individual movies i liked.

As much as I love Lucas, as far as I'm concerned he blew it doing a prequel instead of the sequal! All the originals (minus Alex Guiness, who's character died anyway) were all the right age to do sequals!..of course signing them might have been a problem.

Crunchy Carpets said...

You can't even talk about the Star Wars stuff without understand the tiny and greed filled brain of George Lucas.

Back in the 70's, 80's..the SW films were a collaborative effort. He had a team of really good people behind him. You can see that by Return of the Jedi a lot of these people were no longer working for him.

He only did the prequals because with the computer tech it was now cheap enough for him to do it and make tons of money back. All that wooden and stilted speak was HIS idea of good acting. He approved the script...he said cut and that's a take with each awful scene. He chose the actors.

Ewan McGregor regretted it the moment he walked on the set.

So you have to understand. The latter movies are his TRUE vision of quality....if quality means a franchise that you can exploit.

Don't get me started on the Matrix sequals. pretty much what the world said. Granted the Bros were going through some weird things in their lives. One now is transgendered.

It is just so sad when the fan base seemed to 'get' the movie more and have better ideas for the sequals.

Sequals suck when the business takes over the creativity...when office politics have more influence on the production than script quality.

LOTR doesn't really count as all movies were filmed pretty much back to back.

So no more Star Wars talk..just keep saying "George Lucas is a dumb and evil bastard that nobody likes."

Crunchy Carpets said...

And to add....He thought of Jar Jar...he liked the idea.

Alex said...

He thought of Ewoks, too. Like you couldn't see JarJar coming.

Butt-pirates of the Caribbean has by far the worst written dialogue I have ever seen. "No, he's a pirate!" is the line that ends the first movie. I nearly demanded my money back. The second one I downloaded for $0.00, invited people over to help me mock it, got extremely drunk, and still hated it.

It's on a level with Van Helsing's Hollywooditis - great idea, but you don't need explosions in a pre-modern film, damn you! Wooden carriages do not blow up when they go flying off a cliff. I don't care how many bottles of brandy said barouche had stowed. It's as if people are too stupid to enjoy a film if nothing explodes.

Yeah, sorry. I just don't like the idea that Disney can take its generic pirate concept, pour millions of dollars into it, and turn it into something more than a cardboard cutout with a bunch of marketing hype. That's all the films were: find the prettiest actors and actresses possible, have someone rush out a script with lots of sarcastic comebacks to everything anyone says, make as many explosions and special effects instances as possible, and have a commercial playing somewhere in the world every second of the day. unfortunately, the brainless proles have bought into it.

It's a cultural tyranny of the masses, really. We miss out on valuable work because the plebeians want to see the pretty boom-booms.

Why couldn't Merchant and Ivory done a couple of science fiction films? lol

Crunchy Carpets said...

I love that the trailers for "The Fountain" left out the weirdy science fictiony bits.

DonkeyBlog said...

How could one not agree with all of that? Phantom Menace was VERY bad, as was the "romantic" half of Clones, however I did get a kick out of seeing lots of Jedi fighting together at the end. I did actually like Sith, though. I knida enjoyed seeing how it all came together to set-up the story that we all loved.

Matrix II and III - yes, they were appalling - did they really think they were going to attract a hip, young audience with those boring rave scenes?

I'll give you this, though, I thought all three of the old Omen movies were pretty tight!

DonkeyBlog said...

Oh, I should say that the Spiderman films have been pretty OK - they seem to be the only ones that maintain the personal, internal conflict of the characters which is always a necessary feature of the comics, but which rarely translate to the screen. I do feel a bit nervous about the forth-coming one, though.

Asara Dragoness said...

hee hee
I put myself here as one of the "mindless proles" that actually liked (or at least enjoyed) almost all of these movies. Jar Jar Binks can jump in a ditch and die, but other than that.. The flash and glitter are what catch me, the story behind it tends to be added bonus if it's good. I take every movie I watch at face value, for what it is not what it may be trying to be (i.e. Fantastic Four). So as a result, there are few movies I've seen in the theater that I've actually left saying "that SUCKED". A few have had disappointing endings (Stranger than Fiction) but.. hey. That's me :) P.S. Props to Alex for Army of Darkness. woot!

DesLily said...

sorry to disappoint your Crunchy but I happen to like George Lucas.. but you are entitled not to like him lol..

Not saying he's made all the decisions I would want him to.. but he's a genius... and quite handsome.. ok, i said my bit lol..

SQT said...


I'm actually glad you're one of the "proles." It makes me feel ok to say I like the "Pirates of the Carribiean" movies. I know they have lots of flaws, but I can't help but love Johnnie Depp acting like Keith Richards. So I'm shallow, oh well.

Crunchy Carpets said...

Asara...I would assume then that that means you have low expectations of films so your are not disapointed. It is sad for me that story is secondary.

Desily...can you tell me why you think George Lucas is a genius?

I would be curious to know why...I have a feeling the things you give him credit for actually belong to other people. And really..what was the last movie he did on his own that was good?

DesLily said...

I may be wrong (I usually am) but i do believe he really fathered the "independent" movie maker to begin with.. too much was studio owned and therefore many movies that should be made weren't or if they were.. were done with budgets that made them look cheesy.

I also credit him for his ideas in developing his ILM and many "digital" ways of making movies. Though he may have used them to overkill.. it's still because of him that others forced theirselves to come up with some of the same stuff to move movies into the next generation. (quite often i like the old generation myself but you can't take away from the fact that even if he didn't do many things "himself" he had the smarts to get the people that could do it together i one room and actually do it.)

I'm not big on arguing points as I am generally wrong.. this is just how I feel about him.
All that and I can still be mad at him for hanging up Indiana Jones!.. but i still admire him ALOT.

Alex said...

Don't make me get out the big guns here. If Army of Darkness did not convert you all (*tips hat to the dragon queen*), then I submit to this argument the Dungeons and Dragons movies.

The first was so bad that they felt they could get away with including a Wayans brother. The second was highly entertaining, and not nearly as mindless as the original. In fact, I would venture to say I liked it.

As for my snarky comments about the lower classes, I'm just being my usual film/literature snob self. I can't say I thought Van Helsing was a waste of time, or innately bad; I enjoyed watching it once. However, it was entertaining only on the brain candy level - it will never be considered a thinking man's film, nor will it be anything more than a footnote in film history. Same goes for Buttpirates, except you can forget the part about me being entertained - it was just plain bad.

There has to be at least an attempt at character development and plot for me to enjoy a movie. The Pirates characters are completely 2-dimensional cardboard cutouts (the rogueish anti-hero who seems to always be out for himself, but will turn out to have a heart of gold; the tough-but-still-beautiful aristocratic chick who won't conform to societal standards, despite living in the lap of luxury all her life, and goes around beating up battle tested soldiers and hardened, violent criminals; the evil pirate who is smarter than he appears, yet not smart enough to see the exasperatingly obvious avenues of attack the unlikely band of heroes are going to take). And the sad, sad, sad list goes on. It's like reading post-Sophoclean Greek drama: if they add a dim-witted Spartan soldier, or a perpetually horny widow, I'm going to burn down the studio.

SQT said...


I know Pirates is bad film making, but I say we're all entitled to liking some piece of crap once in a while. Pirates is my guilty pleasure of the week.

Stewart Sternberg said...

Okay, I'm gonna turn this car around....

Pirates of the Carribean was a tremendous film. It gave us something different, and a performance from Depp that was refreshing and icon making.

The second? Loved it too. Loved it. Where else could I find pirates with faces only Cthulhu would love?

Sometimes we have to take off our "Big Boy and Big Girl" caps when watching certain movies. Or let's put it another way, getting too serious about a movies such as Pirates of the Caribbean, Nachos Libre, and the Indiana Jones films says two things: one, you're probably not a lot of yucks at a party, and two, you've got too much time on your hands.

Recently I sat through Godzilla v. Mothra and had a smashing time. Laughing, enjoying the delightful badness and aburdity of it.

Next someone will be saying that Yoda was a made up critter. Hmmmpf

Stewart Sternberg said...

Allow me to counter Alex's statements about the two dimensional characters of Pirates. I would argue that they are not two dimensional characters but rather archtypes of a Campbellesque nature.

Crunchy Carpets said...

Stewart, I half agree with you, but I really think we are not too forgiving of Hollywood. We don't expect much and we don't get much in return.

Therefore a good movie slaps us in the face and is considered a tour de force when it should be just ok.

Our standards are waaaay too low even for 'fun'

SQT said...

I gotta hang with Stewart on this one. I like Pirates. I don't care if you can pick it apart, it's still good fun. In fact, I'm gonna break out the DVD and watch it tonight. So there!

Stewart Sternberg said... too. And then...then I'm going to watch Independence Day!!! No, I'm not. I have to draw the line somewhere.

SQT said...

I actually walked out on Independance Day in the movie theatre. My husband and I just kind of looked at each other and both agreed we couldn't take anymore. It's good to know we are the only people out there who thought it stunk.

Crunchy Carpets said...

But those Independance Day and 'The Rock'...heck anything with either Bruckheimer or Devlin/Emmerich attached to know it is going to be a orgasm of over the top stereo types set to over the top music.

You just know. We just laughed our way through it.

Crunchy Carpets said...

Des...I think you give too much noble reasoning behind Georges motives....all his 'inependance' just mean more money for him. Nothing to do with creative control. When you make a studio millions you pretty much have free reign anyway.

Everything he has done..ILM included was to give him more control and less people to share the glory with.

The attrition rate at ILM was apparently atrocious. People could not stand working for him.

Everything he has done is to make sure the franchise and the marketing makes him money. Him and nobody else.

He screwed a lot of people out of franchise and royalty rights.

Sorry...I have seen and heard too much over the years.....too much insider stuff......I used to read Premier Magazine and Entertainment and all that and loved it and believed in the Hollywood glamour....

Now. I know exactly what goes on and what sort of people are behind the movies we love.

SQT said...

I worked in television a little over 10 years ago, so I know the industry politics are brutal. I really wouldn't be surprised if all the stuff CC heard about Lucas is true. The business can be so disillusioning. I actually liked my job quite a bit, but working in the Hollywood atmosphere was more than I could take for a whole career, so I left. It's a shame too. The industry can be so fun but all the back-biting ends up being the rule rather than the exception.

Crunchy Carpets said...

Well my dh has been reporting on this stuff for over ten years now.

He has made insider connections all over the place.

The saddest thing about his job is that while he still dreams of making movies and loves writing about them.

He HATES them. He never goes to the movies anymore.

SQT said...

Does your husband hate the movies themselves or the industry behind them?

Asara Dragoness said...

I wouldn't call my expectations "low", but honestly reasonable. The industry has to cater to the public, and what the public wants is flash. I know this is a huge generalization here, but I really don't think most people go to the movies to think and analyze the story of the movie. They want to be entertained, and that's what's entertaining these days. I think too that part of what makes sequels slide over to the stinky side is that people are always out for the new thrill, and a sequel just isn't entirely new. So they get a change in the story, but the overall feel tends to be kind of "been there, done that". So, like in the Matrix series, they throw in a bunch of new effects and even crazier scenes in an attempt to create that "brand new" thrill around the same characters as before. LotR was great in all its trilogy glory because 1. it had a huge fan base to begin with, that really wanted to see the story brought to life, and 2. it was already known as an epic, one that would take at least nine hours to play out without leaving out too many essential story points. The same with Spider Man, and add to that the fact that they have Stan Lee right there going, yes, or no, that's not what my story is about.
To sum up (sorry for the long comment, lol), and I think this is really sad, but the big movies these days just aren't -meant- for the "thinking man". So, I don't expect them to be.

Crunchy Carpets said...

Sqt- He hates the industry and he thinks the movies are crap. LOL...nice huh?

Asara...I have to disagree!! Sorry!
I think the industry has very low expecations of the audience and caters to the lowest common denominator. There is NOTHING wrong with challenging the brains of the 'proles'!

People tend to be herd creatures and will follow the if they are told to like Scary Movie 4...they will.

Money is the bottom line anyway. Not quality. They feel they can get away with low quality as long as people keep spending the money on it..but I think they are cheating themselves.

Using comic movies as an example. People make them because they have a fan base already. But they don't look at the bigger picture of attracting a new fanbase.

The marketing tends to be very fractured and over sells the movie...there always seems to be a lack of confidence in the marketing of comic to film.

There are too few movies these days where I can say that was perfect.

Aliens was perfect. Film-maker wise.

The first Matrix movie was almost perfect but it was obvious that they shot their load with the first one and that was that.

Spider man is good because Sam Raimi gets it. Not because of Stan Lee. He is a shameless hack who will happily SELL his comics to movies and just loves the money and attention.

X-men was not good because they didn't get it. It was ok because there was a FEW people who got it and they didn't get the respect they deserved. Tom DeSanto had GREAT ideas for the first one. Politics did him in.

Raiders of the Lost Ark was a flawless film. The sequals were not.

Close Encounters of the Third Kind was a flawless film.

After that I think you need to go back 30 years or more to see a perfect movie

LOTR was good and successful because it had a HUGE fan base and so it didn't need to market to a new crowd. It also had a guy at the helm who had total control of his vision and the ability to translate that to film.

Hollywood hacks have very little integrity or thought for who they make movies for.

But I think it is too much when I am expected to ignore gaping plot holes, poor scripts and so on just because I am being told this is 'just' entertainment.

Not good enough.

Crunchy Carpets said...

Oh and Alex...

I loved Chronicles of Riddick...I thought it was amazing.

SQT said...

I so need to see the Chronicles of Riddick.

I think CC is dead on. One of the things I have harped on the most has been the fact that the TV and movie industry does cater to the lowest common denominator. Instead of providing quality and making sure the audience developed a taste for quality, they have spoon fed the masses crap and the masses have come to think it's ok.

When I worked for a TV show quality was never even a consideration. The only thing that mattered was ratings , period. It drove me nuts to see the writers just pound out a bunch of inaccurate crap that sounded good rather than go through the effort to make sure it really was worth something.

Like I said, the business is dissillusioning.

Cat said...

The LoTR books were much better, like I feel most movies that were previously books tend to be. But, all in all they do work hard to keep to the storylines in some.

When they stray it seems to make the story "not work" in my opinion.

Asara Dragoness said...

Point made :) I can see what you're saying, definitely. It makes me wonder where it all started, because it can't have been this way all along, can it? I'm no film history buff, so I leave that to those with more knowledge than I of such things. And I agree with you that there's nothing wrong with challenging the brains of the "proles", but I haven't seen recently any attempts to try that have been successful. Again, however, I may be out of my depth, because I haven't been to the movies much lately. One, because the prices are going through the roof, and we just don't have that kind of money, and two, there hasn't been much we've wanted to see lately. The last things the hubby and I saw in the theater were Flushed Away and Stranger than Fiction. I mentioned before that I was disappointed in the end. And I was, very much so. It seemed like such a great idea, even if they cast Will "All I really know how to do is charmingly idiotic" Farrell as the male lead, they had an excellent foil in Maggie Gyllenhaal, I loved the story line, and then.. Plop, the worst ending ever. Reminded me of Message in a Bottle. Makes me wonder if the writers at the big production places even -know- how to challenge us proles any more. Still.. I'm right there with you on Johnny Depp, SQT. I own Pirates of the Caribbean just so I can sit on the couch and watch him prance around saying "Savvy?" all the time. *happy sigh* ;)

SQT said...


Fortunately not everything is crap. The new James Bond is a good example. They finally managed to revitalize an old franchise and I am excited about that. I hope the next movies they make with Daniel Craig live up to the promise of the first one.

I think the hard thing about Hollywood and movie making is that there are so many people involved. You can have a good cast and director but there can still be somthing in the mix that screws everything up. I think CC makes this case with a lot of George Lucas movies, only Lucas himself is the fly in the ointment.

Crunchy Carpets said...

Asara..I don't go much either anymore...and I was an avid movie ..because non of it makes me feel like shelling out $13 bucks.

The Curmudgeon said...

So when Attack of the Clones came out, I didn't exactly rush to the box office, and I humbly admit I haven't even seen Revenge of the Sith. ((ducks))

Yeah, me neither. You'll find better acting in the plywood section at the Home Depot than anything in the second trilogy.

Let me change the subject though: Star Trek IV (the whales) was the best of the ST movie franchise -- far and away. But it was a sequel of a sequel of a sequel of a movie remake of a TV show....

SQT said...


Ah, bless you for coming up with a good sequel. The one with the whales was my favorite too. That was a great movie.

I'm not sure how I feel about TNG feature movies. I don't think they were as good as the first series. Though I did like the one with the Borg; that Borg Queen was creepy. But honestly, I don't really remember much about the other ones.

Crunchy Carpets said...



KHAN is the best Star Trek movie.....

How could an overacted nemesis from the serious showing up to overact again against the king of over acting NOT be the best Star Trek movie????

SQT said...

My husband LOVES Khan. He love imitating Khan and doing the yell that Kirk does in the movie. Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!

Great stuff.

Crunchy Carpets said...

Just talking about 'ass' sci fi in general....did anyone see Event Horizon!!!??

Alex said...

Event Horizon was one of the great horror films of the 90's! I would rank it at #3 on the decade. Right behind Hellraiser: Bloodlines, and way, way, way, way (very far, for those who can't take a hint) behind the greatest horror film of all time.

I'm being dramatic here.

In the Mouth of Madness!

As for Pirates even being a good cheesy/campy film, I beg to differ. No, I don't beg - I demand difference.

Snakes on a Plane was a fun camp film, because you knew exactly how bad it was before going to the theater. Pirates took itself seriously, as an "epic, blockbuster, thrillride, that will have you on the edge of your... blah, blah, blah!"

I am all for seeing stupid movies (my top two favorite movies ever are Army of Darkness and The Princess Bride), but Pirates just didn't capture that stupid-in-a-good-way feeling for me.

But feel free to have your own opinion. I'm not saying you have to hate Pirates just because I do.

SQT said...

Event Horizon was scary. That was one of those movies that kind of stayed with me for awhile.

I love Princess Bride. I read the book years ago before they ever made the movie and of course the book was better. But they did a good job and you can tell William Goldman tried to stay true to the book, that's important.

I can understand why Alex doesn't like Pirates, I really can. I always thought of it as a cynical money making venture. But it's entertaining for one reason, Johnnie Depp. He makes it fun for me. He just seems to have put some real effort into the character and I appreciate that and it kind of overcomes the rest of it. Besides, he and Orlando Bloom are kinda cute.

Alex said...

There it is - the one and only reason 51% of the world's population likes these films!

Alex said...

Oh, and the book and the movie versions of Princess Bride are highly similar. I can only think of oe or two substantive details that vary from one to the other.

It's been a few years since I last read the book, though.

SQT said...

There it is - the one and only reason 51% of the world's population likes these films!

Well yeah...

Crunchy Carpets said...

SQT! NO WAY! (sorry!!!!)
The moment the music started for Event Horizon...I knew we were doomed for massive hokey cheesiness.

I actually laughed out loud when the music and credits started.

And yeah..Alex..Mouth of Madness...WTF???

And yeh..stupid for fun is great...but not when it is geared as a marketing franchise like the Pirates thing is. And I liked the pirates movies for what they were.

Army of Darkness RULES

Stewart Sternberg said...

Somehow you have slipped off the topic of bad sequels. But I have to step in here and defend Mouth of Madness (see? me? stepping? in?)

The film was a mess from a logical point of view, but it was still a fun going over, with some memorable scenes in it. No...well...okay, actually it made me hungry for a real version of a Lovecraft film.

I'll be quiet now. I'm walking off... (me? walking....?)

Crunchy Carpets said... dh LOVES anything Lovecraftian....he was really hoping MofM would do it...but no....aaaalllllmooost..but no.

I was looking at Sam Neil's movie credits...what an acting whore he is.

I like him...but really.

The Curmudgeon said...

CC - I liked Wrath of Khan, mostly. But the Spock "death" scene was so over the top -- even if I was entirely taken in on first viewing, coming out of the theater insisting to one and all that "Spock Lives!"

Ricardo Montalban was fabulous. Really.

But the Whales movie is still better.


SQT said...



Well, I thought I remembered it being scary anyway. Mostly I remember some scene where a guy dies after being thrown out in space. The eyes bugging out, the blood, that kind of thing. I don't know. It was creepy anyway, right?

Sheesh, I feel like a hack around you guys and I started this darn thing.

Alex said...

I will not tolerate trash talk about In the Mouth of Madness.

Any more of this, and I'm signing you all up for as much mail order bride, penis enlargement medication, and hot stock tip mailing lists as I can find!

That ought to put an end to this blasphemy.

(Do you read Sutter Caine?)

Crunchy Carpets said...

Sutter I will have to ask dh about that one.

Sqt...hee...we all have our weaknesses.

There are plenty of flicks I like that I am sure HORRIFY you...the same for books, etc.!

Stewart Sternberg said...

Any more of this, and I'm signing you all up for as much mail order bride, penis enlargement medication, and hot stock tip mailing lists as I can find!
Alex, you say this like it's a bad thing.

SQT said...

Wow, over 50 comments on this thread. That's a major record for me.

It's the picture of Jar Jar isn't it?

I knew it. Pure genius.

Asara Dragoness said...

It's not a blog post, it's an epic! :) Oh, I saw your comment on Stewart's friends' blog, SQT, and A Wrinkle in Time is actually the first part of a trilogy by Madeleine L'Engle. Followed by A Wind in the Door, and A Swiftly Tilting Planet. All of which I have, and love. There was also a spin-off book involving the twins called Many Waters. Just in case you were curious :)

SQT said...


Are those books worth reading as an adult? It's been so many years I don't really remember.

Stewart Sternberg said...

Okay, stop.This is ridiculous.No more postings here...move on to the next one. Fifty something comments. Ridiculous.

Wonder if we can get to NO MORE

SQT said...


On another blog I used to frequent we managed to hit 2000 comments on one thread. Totally meaningless stuff but we thought it was great. 60 is nothing.

Alex said...

My blog does this, too. I'll get my token 4-20 comments on most posts, but then WHAMMO! someone gets all riled up about something (normally insignificant) and the post count goes triple digits.

I'd rather it all evened out. It would be cool to see 40 comments on every post. =)

Asara Dragoness said...

sqt -
They're ok.. the original trilogy is a bit kid-oriented.. I couldn't watch the movie of A Wrinkle in Time.. it was too horrid. The thing I liked was the mix of science and fantasy, as though they were really the same thing. Which, in some sense, I suppose they are. In A Wind in the Door, they actually travel into a mitochondrion. Many Waters was a new take on the whole Noah and the Ark story, but with a lot of angelic involvement, it was definitely interesting. If you've got the time, I'd recommend them for light reading, at least.